Scholars at Conspiracy Con Interviewed

By Bret Lueder
(Excerpts)

UFO Magazine: Do UFO’s play a role in any New World Order-type scenario of global control?

Jim Marrs: “Yes they do. That’s why we’ve been in a 60-year conditioning process; that’s one of the things going on, the metered release of information. In Hollywood’s case it’s the controlled view of the world.”

“Here’s the thing: eventually they’re going to play the ‘space card.’ They have advanced this in the ‘Report from Iron Mountain.’ This report was basically an attempt to study and come up with alternatives to war as a foundation for society. Because if the government just comes out and says that they going to take away our rights, the people would react. ‘Give up your rights and we’ll protect you!’ they say. And unfortunately everybody seems to fall for it. Our parents did in 1933 [removal of the Gold Standard] and we did it in 2001 [The Patriot Act].”

“The report concluded that warfare was the only organizing factor and there was nothing to put in its place. Except they did consider one thing: a threat from outer space. I know for a fact that somewhere in their files or contingency plans there’s a whole outline for how to launch this campaign of fear; the fear of aliens from outer space.”

“The other thing you have to understand is that if you have exotic technology that the public is not really aware of, then you can use that technology and can concoct any story you want and researchers will be hard-pressed to come up with any alternative explanation.”

“Now, how are you going to pull off an alien invasion if no one believes that they’re out there? So this is why we’re being conditioned and Hollywood helps do just that; E.T., the monster that attacks from outer space; Mars Attacks, the bumper stickers and T-shirts; the whole thing.”

Michael Tsarion: Michael Tsarion is more of a newcomer. Yet his first book Atlantis, Alien Visitation & Genetic Manipulation (’02) has earned the scholar several media spots on the coveted Coast to Coast AM with George Noory.

created the Adamic race, the metaphor of which is told in The Old Testament’s Book of Genesis as the “Adam and Eve” story, he says.

The Adamic race was endowed with too much alien DNA, became aware that they were prisoners and rebelled. Tsarion calls these advanced beings the “Sons of the Serpents” (SS’s). They have been at war with the SF’s ever since, allegedly not only trying to stop the dark SF’s from escaping their internment on Earth but also to save humanity from their genetically-installed bent for self destruction and hence, the SF’s control of them. The struggle is continued to this day.

 UFO Magazine: What are your thoughts about the May ’06 UFO Magazine article and the connections between consciousness and ley lines?

Tsarion: “The article addresses the importance of the earth grid and the subjects of geomancy and feng shui. The earth-grid is the key to the health of the planet. It is like the arteries, veins and capillaries of a human body. Nowadays, the earth-grid is becoming more and more toxic, and like a sewer it is backing-up. The freak deaths of animals, as well as various earthquakes, are evidence of this.”

“Consciousness and the earth-grid are deeply connected. They may even be the same thing. Now, as man has not dealt with the toxic aspects of his own consciousness, his own emotions, his psychic debris is processed collectively through the earth-grid. But now the toxicity is overwhelming and is beginning to become impacted. Changing weather patterns, the cutting down of the forests, acid rain, etc., prevents the chi from flowing. But the morbidity of human consciousness is by far the main reason for the earth-grid impaction."

“Like any pipe-line or channel that backs-up, the content begins traveling back into consciousness, causing madness, bouts of anger and criminality, collective insanity, and crime. It also causes wars and famines, intense violence and all manner of malady. It can even cause the onset of mental and emotional disease, since it functions very much like an immune system. It is the immune-system of the planet earth. The article draws our attention to this grid and some of its usages. It draws our attention to the connections between human consciousness and the living matrix of energy fields which encircle the earth.”

“The dark forces behind the thrones of power orchestrate many assassinations, and wars of violence, sacrifices and other atrocities at important locations and vertices of the earth-grid to further cause negative reactions from ordinary people, thus perpetuating the overall toxicity. If something is not done to awaken people to these kinds of geopathic rituals, mankind will not have long to survive before he is reduced to a very primitive state, making ready to annihilate himself in an all-out maelstrom of war, crime and death. (For more information on the Earth grid see DVD presentation: Atlantis, Alien Visitation & Genetic Manipulation.)

UFO Magazine: Your theory is that UFO’s originate from the inner Earth. Do they play any role in the alleged New World Order conspiracy of global control?

Tsarion: “I think most of the UFOs that are seen are of earthly origins, and that they are ships being tested for inter-space travel. The makers of these crafts would prefer that they flew unseen but since that cannot be, they have disseminated the myth that our planet is being visited and that this is being covered up. They have disseminated this through various writers within the new-age conspiracy movement and through paid lackeys on television.”

“Many people living in these areas have reported hearing constant humming and engine noises from beneath the earth. These reports have been covered on TV shows and there are even websites on it. Few victims of this invasion are aware of the reasons for the sounds which they hear.”

“The crafts are engineered so that the descendants of the Nephilim that are behind the thrones of power, and now orchestrate the NWO, can break through the ‘etheric barrier,’ which I refer to as the ‘Stargate,’ and vacate this planet. They may be near to the finale of this experiment. In any case they need crafts, satellites and technologies such as HAARP to enable them to break free, and travel the heavens as they did many thousands of years ago before their quarantine internment on our planet.”

UFO Magazine: Is Jordan Maxwell correct that magic is being used to control human consciousness? If so, must humans become magicians themselves in order to learn how to defend themselves?

Tsarion: “Ultimately, the war that is going on between alien and human on this planet is a war against consciousness. No matter how many other forms the conflict takes, it is ultimately a war on HUMAN consciousness.”

“Black Magic, is not necessarily evil, and White Magic, so-called, is not necessarily good. One happens beyond our rational knowledge, the other in the sphere of our awareness. The latter can be most destructive. Magic is the effects of matter on mind, not mind on matter. I go into this extensively in my DVD entitled Divination & the Goddess Tradition. We egotistically imagine magic to be the action of mind on matter. It is not. It is the knowledge of now, the action of so-called ‘Matter’ effects consciousness.” “But the power-brokers of the world wish to destroy reason. They are very successful at this, at creating consensus-trance, and forbidding true creative thought.

Schooling and media are the transmitters of the magical forces which so control mankind. But there is a part of man that actually wants to be controlled, and which wants to give up its power to the father-figure, to the state, in return for security and physical comfort. And it is this contract that allows great malign forces to rise in the world. It is man's inner lack of psychic and moral sovereignty which causes man to lose external forms of sovereignty and empowerment. Schizoid minds give rise to ‘schizogenic’ societies. Pathological people give rise to ‘pathocratic’ policies and governments. This is Psychology 101.”

“The true Magician is one who is aware of the subtle but very real connections between the external and internal worlds, between macrocosm and microcosm, between physical and psychic energy, which the ego of men believe to be two separate and divided phenomena. As long as we perceive the external and the internal as divided, we will be divided, and will have evil rulers in charge of our welfare, bent on creating further divisions.”

“The Magician is one who perceives the unity in all things. He is one who removes the blinders and the ignorance in others, that they may see this unity also. He addresses the forces and devices that separate men from truth and from the authentic self. The false magician is one who works to create division, confusion, anxiety and epidemics of fear and ignorance. Government, religion, media, and the new-age movements are filled with such false magicians, leading man further and further away from the real and the true.”

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